DAILY BREAD SATURDAY EDITION (1-5-13)
By Stephen"Breadman" Edwards
Happy New Year...wishing you and your boxing crew nothing but success and prosperity in 2013! "Adrien Broner is going to knock Yuriorkis Gamboa out and Iím going to bet my daughterís tuition on the fight." ---- Cute but hyperbole at its best...but your point is understood. Anyway, I'm a lil' confused because it appears as though you left the door open for some to infer that you believe there's a possibility that Juan Manuel Marquez was on PEDs. Am I interpreting this incorrectly? I hope so because the honorable analyst that I've come to know in you believe that such things shouldn't be spoken or implied (not even a tad bit) unless there's hardcore evidence supporting the same...or at least that was the case when Floyd Mayweather and crew were accusing Manny Pacquiao of cheating-- Kim from Houston
Breadís Response: Hey Kim Happy Holidays. Yes, you interpreted my comments slightly wrong. First off I have openly said unless itís a fighter that I work with on an EVERYDAY basis I wouldnít put the possibility of PED use past any fighter. Any fighter, and I mean that. Athletes in general are success driven-- therefore most will go to great lengths in order to succeed.
Sometimes when you do side by side comparisons, you subconsciously try to make different circumstances the same. But if I must put them side by side then I will.
Before I start let me say this. I try to base my stance on facts and strong logical opinion. I only enter my logical opinion when there are no facts to stand on.
Now letís go side by side. I did not hear one person accuse Manny Pacquiao of PED use until Team Mayweather started openly picking against him AFTER he rose in weight and became the face of boxing. In each of his fights somebody from Floydís family would say Manny was going to lose. After he destroyed his opponents, then more whispers would start.
When your main accuser is your rival it gives the accusations less credence. In my opinion these accusations took a life of their own and everything Manny did or didnít do became magnified. If he scored a brutal KO he was a PED user, if he went the distance then he was cycling off.
I personally never saw a huge change in Mannyís body or performances. As you cut less weight and become older you put slightly more mass on. But besides a small % of mass, I didnít see a huge difference in Pacquiao. Although let me point out, a fighter has a right to improve and it doesnít have to be because of the cheating.
Now let's go side by side. Although Freddie Roach made an unwarranted comment about Marquez, Team Pacquiao did not go on a crusade to discredit him. Pacquiao as always acted like a great sportsman and accepted his defeat. Heís also willing to fight Marquez no matter what. Some feel that Mayweather didnít want to fight Pacquiao and the drug testing was just a ploy to not fight. Now that Manny has accepted blood testing against Mayweather, the original 50/50 offer is no longer valid. So that particular fact, gives that train of thought some credence.
While I refuse to condemn Marquez or Pacquiao, there have been many more suspicious circumstances surrounding Marquez. I didnít make these things up, but when Iím asked I will discuss them. For one I didnít want to bet on the fight because I kept hearing about PED use.
I ask people close to camps how fighters look before I make a public bet. I was hearing that both guys were looking great but Marquez was looking freakish. Knocking speed bags off the swivels, brutalizing sparring partners and not taking off his shirt much because the freakishly bulging muscles might look suspicious. Kim, I had to factor those things in, especially when Iím betting MY money.
Now Kim I have defended Marquez on several fronts, but I do discuss the totality of the circumstances and I did factor these things in before I decided NOT to bet on the fight. In fact my sources were 100% accurate in their assessment of Marquezís freakish punching power leading into this fight. I have never heard so many PED rumors before a fight. There is no way we can overlook that Marquez looks less physically imposing in between Pacquiao fights, than he does for the Pacquiao fights. There is no way we can dismiss how flabby Marquez looked against Floyd in 2009 and how awesome he looked against Pacquiao in 2012. I am not implying or inferring anything, thatís just what it is.
Sure it could be natural. I personally walk around at about 210. Last year I ate everything my fighter eats before a fight, I ran and swam. No ballistic training and nothing special. I went down to 189 in 30 days and I got extremely cut. I am a few years younger than Marquez so I know with muscle confusion and super hard work great transformations can take place. But Marquez hired a strength coach, Memo Heredia who has changed his name after admittedly helping Olympians use PEDS-- itís public record that he was not only a PED supplier but a ďcooperating government witnessĒ. In the hood you know what we call that.
Kim, it would be irresponsible to not talk about everything. So under the law, Marquez is clean until proven dirty. But there are some dubious circumstances that surround him. Will you agree?
On top of that in this business sometimes people with a platform canít SAY everything they KNOW. Read what Iím about to say closely. There is a reason why Jim Lampley made the statement he made on his boxing show 2 weeks ago. Listen to him closelyÖ.
There is a reason why he mentioned VADA and no other testing agency. There is a reason why HBO purposely exposed Memo on the 24/7. We have to use OUR common sense Kim and take emotion out of it. There is a reason for all of these subtle insinuations.
So if you think Iím implying that Marquez is on something, I am NOT. I am openly suggesting that the ďpowers that beĒ are doing and saying certain things because they know a lot more than they say.
One more thing. This is a challenge to both Marquez and Pacquiao. If they want people to believe they are clean athletes, indulge in VADA testing immediately. Not when the fight gets announced or what have you. But immediately. Turn in all of your supplements and vitamins to VADA and allow them to be inspected. Be proactive and NOT reactive. Both of you great fighters.
Itís getting lame to say I will take whatever test they want me to take. We all know it doesnít work like that. VADA has a V in it for a reason. Voluntarily is the word. So go volunteer for these test or the suspicion will always be there.
I recently read a post on the mailbag about Andre Ward. First I must say wards status is well deserved just off the super six tournament. At the time of the Super Six Ward was an underdog and he beat them all, some of these guys are now champions, Im sure that all sorts of arguments can be made as to who got beat and why, what where, Fact is that he owns the W on all of them. You made the point that Dawson called out Ward, he Signed and the Result is history. The super 8 as I called it GREAT. And it was the top guys fighting each other. ( Bute got beat by a Ward victim) so itís not that farfetched to see that Ward could handle Bute easily. Ward finds himself in the same bag as RJJ, FMj and others like that, eventually Ward will get beat and the next generation will take his place.
Side note Ė in the Pac/Marq fight I saw some flashes of the prime Pac. I was Like woowww. He still got it . and I still believe he is A threat to FMj even Now.
That for the Ear
Breadís Response: I agree, I agree, I agree.
Bread, How much is Gabe Rosado the man? "Oldtimers didn't need catchweights, they were real men. Middleweight champs fight at 160 & thats what I want." Dude is a throw back fighter that had it rough early, learned and used it to improve his craft and put himself in position to become world champion. GGG is no joke, clearly the favorite and clearly avoided in the past. With that said, don't sleep on Gabe. All heart with the belief that he has what it takes to win any fight that he is in. Sometimes that can put a fighter in another zone and even the playing feild a little bit. I think GGG was a little taken back when he saw the size of Gabe as well. Some people didn't realize what a huge 154 lber Gabe is. I am looking forward to this fight, because thats exactly what we will see, a fight. Mad respect to both guys, how do you think it plays out?
Breadís Response: I know Gabe very well as a fighter. He has sparred my fighter countless rounds. He is a true throwback. No doubt. I have literally watched him get better before my eyes. Gabe has an internal belief that is priceless. He couldíve waited on his mandatory shot against K9 Bundrage but he is looking to shock the world against a so called beast.
I say so called because in Philly there is a saying among the old heads that go, there has never been a horse thatís never been rode, there has never been a rider that has never been throwed. Gabe does not look at Golovkin in ďawe offí, he looks at him in ďflaw ofĒ. I love his attitude.
Gabe is definitely the biggest top level junior middleweight in the world. There is a kid up in NY named Delen Parsley that is bigger than Gabe but he canít make 154 anymore. Some guys can just get lower in weight, but they are actually bigger than guys who fight at higher weights. Mike Jones is like that. Heís the biggest 147 pounder I have EVER seen.
I see an exciting fight playing out. My question is if Gabe can take Golovkinís punches. That will be the key. To the head and body. If he can absorb the punishment and still fight his fight, then I expect a classic war. If he canít I expect a brutal one sided beating. Itís just that simple.
I believe Gabe has the strategy, skills and condition to stay with GGG. But there are so many rumors about how hard this kid punches that his power has to be taken into consideration. I want to say one more thing about taking a punch. A lot of taking a punch is mind state. If you go to that dark place and refuse to be hurt then you wonít be hurt. If you go to that place that no matter what he gives out you wonít stop fighting then you wonít stop fighting. Gabe is trying to go to that place. I hope he gets a first class ticket there. Stand up Gabby, Philly is riding with you bro.
Question for you, Garcia vs Judah, how do you see this bout unfolding? I think Garcia should be very concerned with the speed, slickness, power of Zab. I distinctly recall Garcia's underestimation comments referring to Khan's speed. Even though Khan beat Zab, would you agree Zab is a more crafty/slicker fighter nowadays compared to the time of that loss? I think Zab is a much more focused fighter today and will cause problems for Garcia.
Do you have any indications of the odds for this bout yet ?
Breadís Response: As a fighter you should always at least be aware of what your foe brings to the table. I assume Danny is aware of Zabís strengths. But I personally donít see a difference in Zab since the Khan fight. He destroyed Vernon Paris but Paris is not an A class fighter like Garcia or Khan.
I am not sure of the odds but I assume Garcia will be a prohibitive favorite. I like both fighters but letís be honest about this. Zab sort of packed it in against Khan and he kind of escaped the bad press. If a ref is counting over you and you stay down then you either canít get up or wonít get up. But to stay on the ground and argue that it was a low blow, when obviously the ref didnít see it that way, is not acceptable for a fighter of Zabís experience level.
I expect Zab to be dangerous because of natural talent. He is the faster, more athletic fighter even at his advanced age. Danny is also very vulnerable up the middle and he is not very good defensively. But boy is he a dog. He has shown a solid chin and balls of steel. He is willing to stand in the zone and punch while his opponents are punching him in the face.
I expect a weird type of ending because of the pride that is involved. I expect Danny to be, too big, too strong and too much of a puncher for Zab. Because of this I donít expect a normal ending. I expect something weird. Maybe a DQ or a Khan/Judah type of ending, but I do expect Danny Garcia to win this fight. I am just not sure Zab will allow himself to traditionally knocked out if you get what Iím saying.
I am a man of history. Three of Zabís recent losses were all controversy filled. In the Mayweather fight, he hit Floyd behind the head and in the groin and almost caused a riot. In the Clottey fight he claimed he couldnít see. No one seems to remember that fight. In the Khan fight, he laid on the ground suggesting he was hit low, although the referee was counting. In all of these fights he was losing on the scorecards at the time of the controversy.
I really like Zab as a fighter. I am in no way taking a shot at him. Actually if he wins this fight, I would put him in the Hall of Fame. I am just giving you my overall assessment because you seem to want to bet and when we put up our hard earned money, everything has to be taken into consideration.
Danny on the other hand has responded really well under adversity. I thought Erik Morlaes was really getting to him in their first fight, but Danny stuck with it and landed a big left hook and pulled the fight out. Khan was handling Danny and again he stuck with it and stopped him. Lately Danny has responded to adversity better than Zab has.
Barring Zab hitting Danny with a punch on the nerve center early, the longer this fight goes, the more I look for Danny to take over with mental and physical toughness.
As you know love the mailbag and hope all is well with you and the fam.
1st off props to Rosado for saying I want to fight at 160. I went to see GGG live and to be honest I was surprised at how little he is. Heís said for right fight heíll go to 154 which doesnít shock me because he really does look little. I know size isnít all but is he really that big of a puncher? He looks like the goods and I liked what I saw live but he really is a small middleweight. Rosado looks much bigger than him. I think itís really going to be a good fight and I think Rosado has a shot to win. Can I have your thoughts on this?
I see Holt vs Peterson has been made and itíll be on ESPN. Iíve always been a huge fan of Holt and still thinks besides Randall bailey this dude is one of the biggest punchers in the game. Iím also a big fan of Peterson. I think this is a god matchup. I see Peterson being the favorite because heís more busy than Holt and Holt sometimes doesnít jab enough and looks for just the right hand. What do you think of this fight and how it plays out?
Garcia is a huge 140lbíer! How he makes it I have no clue. Youíve said and I agree totally that Judah catches everyone he fights clean. Iím bias towards Zab and always want him to do well. When he catches Garcia clean what do you think happens? Iíd love your breakdown on this fight.
Thank you as always
Breadís Response: I have broken down Golovkin/Rosado and Garcia/Judah already.
As for Peterson/Holt, this will be an interesting fight for me. You have one guy who will be pressing behind a high guard setting a faster pace. Then you have another guy who is he better more explosive puncher. Youíre right about Kendall. He may not have a glossy ko%, but he can crack. He will knock your head off.
Both guys are very good fighter and I like them both. I honestly believe this is a 50/50 fight and the fighter who can overcome their flaws will win.
Lamontís flaws. At some point in every fight, Lamont turns into a walk down type of fighter. He seems very physically strong and heís a tremendous body puncher. But he comes out of a boxing stance constantly. He sort of walks foot over foot, instead of shuffling forward correctly. He also absorbs punches on his gloves, instead of making a man miss. This may not sound like a big deal but against the right guy it it.
For one to keep coming out of your stance is always bad. If you have a quick guy who can hit you while you walk foot over foot, then you will become disorganized because fighters are not used to defending themselves in that position. And when you always try to block and absorb punches , lots of times the punches get through and chip away at you. Against huge punchers like Kendall this could be bad. His left hook to body then head is awesome. I also think Peterson has trouble making 140lbs. For him to not to have made it in over a year, that could be big trouble for him.
Now for Kendall I think he is better technically than Lamont, but judging how they both fight Lamont trains harder. Kendall simply canít fight at a brisk pace. That wonít change this late in the game. But he can employ some tactics to allow him to succeed without throwing 65 punches per round. If Kendall can do this I would expect him to upset Peterson, but thatís a big if. Let me see how their camps go before I make an official pick. This should be a really good high quality high contact fight.
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